Episode 80
Reclaiming Masculinity with Jake Hamilton
Join us for an incredible conversation with Jake Hamilton, and take a deep dive into Jake’s current mission to reclaim masculinity by leading men through the deep work required to see complete healing and step into their God-given identity.
In this episode we get into:
Jakes backstory: 2 mins
Calling and mission 7 mins
Living in mystery and tension 17 mins
Mother and Father wounds 19 mins
3rd way thinking 24 mins
Fatherhood 28 mins
Initiation ceremonies 44 mins
Daily habits and practices 59 mins
Jake Hamilton has been in active full-time ministry for over two decades. He has been a creative entrepreneur, and a global worship leader as a part of Jesus Culture Music. He is a dynamic preacher and communicator. As a singer-songwriter, his songs have been sung around the world.
He is currently leading a men's movement called The Fight, gathering men to make an agreement with their story and get acquainted with death as they learn what it means to walk in biblical manhood as modeled by Jesus Christ.
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http://www.jakehamiltonmusic.com
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Transcript
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What if we were actually supposed to die with Christ
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what if we were actually supposed to get another empty tomb and
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lay down with him and let him resurrect us because
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the hard part is my sin has been covered but my
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story is still real so I don't have to pay the
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cost of the repercussions of my life but it is
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still my life
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All right welcome to another episode of raising the standard this
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is leader ship mindset and development for ambitious Christian men
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if that's you you're in the right place and guys
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we have an awesome episode lined up for you I've
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been really excited about this one because there's a guy
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that I met a few years ago you probably know him
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I'm about to introduce him to you and I've been
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following him and he's really got a mission that he's
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on right now about masculinity and before we jump right
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into that topic I wanna introduce you to him get a
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little bit of his background and just see some of
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the commonalities that he has with us because he's not
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only a musician he's also an entrepreneur and he's also on
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a mission to reclaim and restore masculinity and call you
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and me higher into the Position that God created us
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and called us to occupy so without further ado I
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am going to introduce my very special guest this week
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I got Mr. Jake Hamilton Jake how are you doing
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man good thank you so much for having me it's a
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pleasure to be here man I'm glad we could finally do
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this yeah man I've been looking forward to a site to have
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this conversation conversation with you AJ just for our listeners for
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those that don't know you if you could just give
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us a little bit of your background obviously you've been
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in ministry for a long time you are a musician you
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have multiple records out I was listening to your latest
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single today just kind of getting a zone for this
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one so if you could just kind of walk us
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through a little bit for the guys that know you
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and the guys that don't know you just hear your
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music background and your ministry background as we set the
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stage for the conversation where we're going to get into Yeah basically
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we planning to church when we were about 19 by
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accident I came back to the church by $50 guitar when
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I was 18 years old worked with the camp I work
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at a camp with inner-city kids in like Compton Long Beach
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like that whole area in LA that's where were we
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were originally from so we were down there working with
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kids from our city on with the Salvation Army camp like I said and
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I would lead worship there because the worship leader left
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in the middle of the night one night and they
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left a note that said this place sucks and so
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they're like who else owns a guitar they're like oh
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Jake doesn't he's loud and obnoxious so we'll just you lead
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worship a new two cords and so I had to
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make up songs on the spot for kids and that's
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how I started songwriting that's how I started leading worship
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and when we came back I interned at our Baptist
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church which we did for a couple years before we
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ended up planting a church of young people which is
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like an emergent church church for church model years and
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years ago some might remember in so we had a
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church of 60 that likes 6 00 over like for
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five months I mean it was like the craziest thing
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and we were doing a ton of art because I
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was actually interviewing for Disney at the times I thought that
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was what I was going to do I thought I was going
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to go you know be an animator and be sort
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of a creative brainstorm or like they have imagine years
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which what they call them there was like that's what I want
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to be so that's what I was targeting I used
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all that in the church for about eight years that's
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where I met my wife wrote a ton of songs
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and then got fired from the church we planted cause
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we met the Holy Spirit which was delightful so we met
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holy spirit because my daughter was diagnosed with cerebral palsy and
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so I either realize like I have an a crossroads
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with God like either he really sucks or there's some
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things I don't know about them and so I was
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like well let's just go with her some things I
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don't know about him that took me on a journey
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to Kansas City international House of prayer and Bethel Church in
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Redding California where we currently live Right now and that
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sort of gave us the space to explore gotten a
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brand new way and when we were let go of
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the church that we planted we end up planting a house of
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prayer we did 2 4 seven prayer for about three
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years that's where I wrote all the songs that got
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recorded with Jesus Culture cause they came in and you know
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said hey we want to put you on a label there really
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isn't a label but would love to have you on
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it and so we were like one of the first
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artist that Jesus Culture had on their label and that was
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a wild ride for four years we did that with
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Jesus Culture traveled all over the place About 2 0 10
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we slowed everything down to basically focus on family I
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was really hard on my marriage in so we had some
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fathers that came in and there was no addiction no
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pornography none of that like extra marital stuff it was
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really just I was a workaholic and because I was
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work a workaholic for Jesus everybody gave me a high five
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instead of telling me to slow down and focus on
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my family and so I finally slowed everything down about
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that time we started like a little bit of a
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label with some friends just to get people recorded I'm always had
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like entrepreneurial stuff going on on the side so I'm just
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trying to empower people every chance I get using every
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resource we have Long story short as our marriage got
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better we started doing stuff for marriages and then ended
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up in a place where we were doing stuff for men because
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we got basically a word that was someone encouraged us
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that said he listen you really want to help marriages
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go get men and I was like all right let's do
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it so the last handful of years as my boys are becoming
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teenagers I was like let's let's figure out how to
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do this in my house and then I'll be figured
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out how to do it in my house with my kids
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we invited eight men and we've been meeting for about
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three years here in my garage and then that led
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to what we now called the fight so it's up
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it's a crazy journey of like over 20 years of
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ministry always having some sort of artistic side hustle as
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well from design work to branding work website all that
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stuff we kind of do a little bit of everything
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but that allows us the flexibility to really focus on
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the type of ministry want to do and where God calls
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us to do without being tied down to a paycheck
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and You know figuring it out traditionally yeah wow there's
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so much there Jake that was an awesome synopsis Five years
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yeah yeah I got it that's that's incredible we can
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we can stay on that for a while you said a
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couple things I can't take in everything there but the first
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thing you said you know like I didn't know that
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was your backstory the way you started doing music it
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was kind of like hey we need a spot you're
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here you got you got instrument let's go I will I
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want to ask you because a lot of our guys are listening and
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I know that we're all exploring this is like what's
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my mission what's my purpose like this these are big
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questions that men wrestle with and what was that journey
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like for you because did you have it in your
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heart that you want to be a musician did you
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feel a call on your life yeah so walk walk
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us to that a little bit cause it's opportunity opens up and then how
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do you decide like this is a no I'm supposed
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to be doing this are you looking for favor like
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I'd like to understand that a little bit it's awesome
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Just FYI it's going to be like I am the
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nontraditional is the nonconformist and most of these world suggest I usually I
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really love language and really hate common language in so
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even a word like calling I'm like we end up
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waiting for this sort of supernatural bolt of lightning to
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hit us and then we go it's my calling it's
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like we'll know just use what's in your hands when
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Moses was called to go to the Israelites he was
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Moses was like why did I stutter and I don't
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have anything he's like what's in your hand is like
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a stick yeah that'll do and it's like for most
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of us we don't even pay attention to the stick
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in our hand we're waiting for the $10 million somebody supposed
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to give us and so I'm like I'm just saw die over
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the word calling personally right now just cause I know
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a bunch of young people to you when I talk to
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men like I'm just waiting for a word from the
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Lord I'm like what in the hell is in your
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hand use that and see happens and that was the
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way it was for me I didn't want to be
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a worship leader I wasn't signed up to I barely at that
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point I don't know anything I mean I felt like
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I can't Sing songs about Jesus I barely know myself and
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they're like go for it buddy and I'm like dude
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that is the way that I think most men actually
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need to get into the thing that they're created to
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do because it's like they're so busy wondering what they
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don't have that they pay so little attention to what
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they do have because what they do have is never
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good enough you know and for me I was like
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I got a guitar and a voice not like there's
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nobody else here so who's gonna do it and like I'll
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do it and I look like an idiot 90 %
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of the time I looked like a moron you know
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I mean but if you're not if you're you're not
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trying to prove anything in your ego is not stopping
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you like I'll run into it let's just see what
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comes out yeah all right so as we follow that like
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was it easy for you did things click together was
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the resistance along the way and what did that like did you
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have feelings of K I don't know if I'm supposed
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to be doing this or was there a time where
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you're like all right like I know I know this is
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what it is Again it's for us it's about following
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the narrative that's in front of you so what is
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in my hands and what story is in front of
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me so what's in my hands this guitar right now what
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I got so and it seems to give me a
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little bit of ability to lead and right now it's with
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kids then I came back and returned for the church they're like
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oh you play guitar why don't you lead some worship
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here cool I learned a few more chords learned a few more
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songs wrote a few songs on my own and just followed
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that narrative where it led at the same time I
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was on the side doing a ton of large scale
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murals for like businesses and schools and I was painting
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banners I mean I'm only 19 years old at the
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time 19 20 still living at my parents house so
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I'm just like you know doing a basic internship at
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a church driving my business which is growing and thriving and
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awesome and I'm just doing being faithful to work with
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what's right in front of me and I dude over
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my career of like worship leading I FaceTime to resist
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I do not sound like a worship leader I don't
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know how many times I can tell you you know what I
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mean weather like Not sure if that's worship you know
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so they're like God Could you sing do you know can you
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sing that nice song we all know that all the
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time so I get invited to someplace and I just want to
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still to this day they'll be like why can you
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play these type of songs and honestly I just now
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I just go now I'm good like I don't need
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to come I'll give you a list of worship leaders
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who do that I just know who I am and
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I'm like the loud rock like I'm not gonna play
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the north my songs aren't like normal fit in your Sunday
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worship set I don't think they're any less worshipful and
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I don't think that they're any less worship music it's
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just for me I'm like I Just don't play I
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just I haven't really played it safe and so when
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you don't play it safe if you don't have the
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heart to be rejected over and over again you keep yourself
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stable you weren't you're just go get a job and
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let somebody be your boss like you're not made for
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entrepreneurship number one I need and I would say there's
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a ton of story work that we could get into
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with your story because at the end of the day
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like you still don't know who you are and you're
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like a 4 5 50 year old man like that's
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a problem like that's a real issue like let's forget
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about the calling for a second who the heck are
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you and if I didn't have that first like I'm
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OK with who I am and I don't care how
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it comes out because I'm not here to impress anyone
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and as long as my heart is clean before God
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and I am serving my house first Everything else will work
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itself out eventually I'm not really worried about it but
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that the journey wasn't as clean as like and then
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and then I did this and then I made this
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maneuver unlike the people I've seen change the planet the
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most effectively just follow the path that was right in
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front of him and didn't question it when everybody else
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did yeah that's awesome well I want to get into
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that journey a little bit I want to see some of
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those highlights in your life and you obviously have had
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I would assume some strong men that came around you
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to give you the sense of identity and that's where
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your missions coming from or I'd like to hear about
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the Beasley got kicked in the balls over and over and
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over again Then I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you
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I had a guy had a couple of guys over
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I had at the truth as I had a good
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dad he was one-handed me being a workaholic so he
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did give me that which dad had to be that
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had to be ground out of me by a really amazing
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wife where I'm like oh service to God and it's hard
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as a minister you can work you know hundred hours
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and everyone's like it's for Jesus you know and you're like yeah
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yeah I agree why is my family falling apart then that's
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not working but I had a really great dad who
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was in touch with his emotions all of them including
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anger you know but over the course of my life
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he just was always there you know I mean so
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I had a good man as a dad And I
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had a handful of friends like we were kind of ride
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or die and over the time over the course of
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time at peers but kris Vallotton really is the one who stands
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out as like a dad who showed up and it's
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not like he's consistent in our lives or anything like
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that Chris Melton from Bethel Church he and he just showed
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up at all the right times basically just told me
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I suck as a husband So it was like it
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was like but all the other men I've ever been
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around just massively wounded me and I had to have
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enough guts to just go I'm not gonna I'm gonna
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let it wound me but not mark me and determine
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like bitterness and things like that now not that I
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haven't had my moments but it's very rare that I've
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had like I'm looking for a wise elder I'm looking
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for someone who's a little further ahead that's been the
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radical and I've had a few of those touch points with
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some people in the moment but man I wish I could
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I'm trying to grow up the man who will be
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that to a generation because I didn't have that that's
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my goal I am I was always taught if you're
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looking for something in your life you don't have you're
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probably supposed to become it and so I'm like I've
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never seen this like who's going to hold the space for
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me when I feel like a piece of crap and
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everyone's like you're not really a worship leader yet you're
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doing it in stadiums like what do you do with
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that you know and where are those men that are
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going to hold that with me and go dude keep
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doing it Yeah you doing so it's like it's like the problem
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you saw that's the problem that you feel I'm gonna
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go bring a solution to that because I haven't been
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today absolutely I was like in this space there's no
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man to hold tight to hold value for other men like to
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go no don't do it different that's why we got
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so many and bowing down to you you know there's
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a song that guy you know that I Kings Kaleidoscope he
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has that line he's like he's like I'm just a
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puppet to pastor and I'm like yeah like I'm cool
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pastors I love leadership I love being around healthy leader
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ship I will submit my life to healthy leader ship
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but I'm also not gonna play games when I feel
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like I'm being run over or abused or especially when
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I see it happening to other men I'm like I'm
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not gonna stand for that like where are the men
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we are the most dangerous man on earth with Christ
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in our center filled with the Holy Spirit living in the
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kingdom where we are completely unstoppable we don't need the
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government we don't need to Politics we don't need any
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of the stuff we are the dangerous ones and I'm
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like where are those people where are the men who
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are convincing men of that like you're filled with the
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spirit of the living God you are living in a
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kingdom that's from another age like stop complaining over politics
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man my kings on a throne forever like if we're still
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trying to figure that out dude like no man if that's
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a too small of a game for me and I'm
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like I want to be the guy who shows up
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and goes you go do this thing man you got
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that on your heart go fail 20 times and I'll
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be there when you get back to remind you that
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hurt didn't yeah and I'm a slap you on the
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butt and you're gonna keep going you know and that to me
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that's what I need it with love and tenderness not
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like you suck and I'm trying to take advantage of you
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but dude go hard try something new see what happens
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I mean that's the heart of a father like a
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real father that's your cheerleader that your coach that's going
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to encourage you and also correct you and say now
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it's time to sit out let me tell you what
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you just did wrong there too so I love him and you're
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talking my language we're bringing up a few things here so
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like let's just have the culture conversation for a minute
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because we're talking about culture and I think I think
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we're talking about church culture a little bit like how
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are we doing with men right now like what's happening
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what's the current state of men maybe we start big
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culture first Jake like big culture in the world and
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how is that affecting culture in the church cause we we
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have a crisis on our hands and I want to hear
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I wanna hear it from your perspective Yeah I mean
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I think we have a mass the crisis the crisis
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that we have is a disconnection from our deep mysterious
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tension filled reality that we don't want to agree with
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because we become a theory we become a theologically driven information
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driven culture so that's why we have the issue with
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media that's why we have the issue with all this because we don't
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have men who can stand in tension and actually hold it
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well like my whole thing that I tell men all
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the times I'm like men go first that is the
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marker of like a Christian man men go first but
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not in systems and structures men go first in servant
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in servant hood in sacrifice date shoes to show up
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when no other man will show up and they will
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hold the tension for those who cannot yet because they become pillars
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and strengths because they can live in mystery intention and
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we don't do that we live we live in complete
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dualism we are like it's black It's white it's right
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it's wrong it's God it's the devil it's it's too
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much duality light all of us who have lived for
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more than five minutes no that's not real yet when we
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go into a church or we going to culture that's
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what we're experiencing and the reason that the culture is
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experiencing it is because that is what the church is
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teaching the church historically was meant to hold the tension
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and the space that culture itself could not hold that's
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why we had priest that's why we had a monks
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that's why we are desert fathers that's why we had these men who
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lived in the tension men and women but we really as men
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we held that space of tensions so well that it that
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it eradicated fear and gave birth to some ridiculous faith
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but we don't do that anymore we're not meant to
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do that Worried about pornography and all that crap I'm
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not worried about that those are just identity issues that
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are like fruit I don't need to be pulling fruit
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off peoples treats like I'm not that's not what I'm
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here for you remove bad fruit but have bad roots
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you're gonna get bad food again so we gotta deal
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with some of the root issues with the hell I
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am I never had a dad who is there like
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most men never had a fathers name a deep father
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wound what's a father wound a mother and a father
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one or very easily describe mother and mother is supposed to be the
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one who loves you unconditionally even when you suck so
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when you suck mom goes you're amazing you're the greatest
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thing that's ever been a dad is the first one
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in love who chooses you so if you never felt shows
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in or you don't feel preferred or you don't feel
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like you can connect with men that as a father
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and a bit very basic definition Wingo Way deep in
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that stuff but the reality is were carrying those wounds
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and we don't even know where we fit in because
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we never have a dad go your chosen you're safe
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You're good you suck in these areas we're gonna work
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on it don't worry you're still ultimately love I pick
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you and then I'm mom going you're the greatest thing ever
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you're the best you can do no wrong you know
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and if you never got that that's actually more damaging
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than a father one because then you have no value system
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to work from because you don't even know if you
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just are loved in general and now when we do
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that we start working overtime to get picked to get
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preferred to get lunch and we're seeing that in culture so
20:19
my two things are we got duality living all over
20:21
the place cause we don't have a church that knows how
20:23
to hold tension we got rid of the Eucharist and
20:25
put in a pulpit and said my opinion is bigger
20:28
than the blood and body of Jesus Christ and then we
20:31
have on the other side we have this reality of
20:33
mother and father ones that we've never actually worked through
20:36
where I don't know who I am so I can't
20:39
hold tension and I don't know who I am on
20:40
the wonder culture as a whole and the church are
20:44
like totally jacked when raising up men yeah can you
20:47
explain the tension thing a little bit more To make
20:49
sure that the listeners and myself that I fully get
20:51
it in terms of what is the tension between what
20:53
are the two things that and what how is it
20:55
Xpress itself so in your life like there are we
21:00
end up having to put things in boxes right or
21:03
wrong good or bad those things like and it's just
21:05
easier for us all protection stop the problem is if
21:08
we're talking about God if we're going back to the
21:10
church first thing to culture we are talking about an eternal everlasting
21:14
God he breathed everything into being hold it all together
21:18
all the way down to the smallest nano nuclear value
21:22
systems that we don't understand yet and we're pretending on
21:26
Sundays through a few songs and a short sermon that we
21:28
get it now We understand that that is the biggest load
21:34
of junk I have ever heard like you don't get
21:37
it we don't understand God nobody's gonna get to heaven
21:40
I don't care how big your ministry is or how
21:42
many PhD 's you at your no one is going to
21:45
walk up to the man whose flames of his eyes
21:48
are flames of fire with a sword coming out of his
21:50
mouth feet like bronze white hair glowing like the sun
21:55
and he's like that's what I thought that's what I thought
21:58
just like I thought it's like no we're gonna get
22:01
there see him and go dude I had no idea
22:06
so first there's a tension of me and my creator
22:08
pretending like I understand something that is impossible for me
22:12
and my finiteness to understand then on top of that
22:16
how that plays out in my life is I have to
22:20
determine whether or not some thing is God before I
22:22
can do anything with it which is a massive problem
22:26
because I've got kids and young people are sitting around
22:28
doing nothing Literally nothing waiting on a word from the
22:33
Lord when your life was the word from the Lord do you know
22:37
Today that is the word you need it you've been
22:41
born when you could've been born in any time in humanist I just
22:44
heard this sad and I was like blown away by
22:46
over 4 7 00 people over nine generations had to
22:51
exist and survive and meet just for the DNA to get
22:56
into your body for us to be talking regular 4
22:58
7 00 people nine generations and you're not a miracle
23:03
dude You already won the lottery now just do something
23:07
with it don't waste it and that tension is me
23:10
going I'm trying to decide if it's right or wrong
23:13
or if it's the voice of the Lord before I
23:14
do anything and for me I'll tell you practically in
23:18
my life I believe in healing but I have a
23:20
daughter with cerebral palsy so I get two choices I can
23:23
either go well he doesn't heal and then build a
23:27
theology around it or I go he always heels in there must
23:31
be something wrong with me and I spend the rest
23:33
of my life cycling through deliverance ministries and fasting and
23:36
praying for some thing that I fully don't understand but it must
23:39
be my fault so it's not a faith issue or
23:42
this but I always talk to people about is it it's
23:44
magpie theology or magpie understand if you ever seen a
23:48
magpie if you look at a magpie from a distance
23:50
it is two colors it is black and it is
23:53
white The problem with getting up close to a magpie
23:57
is that it's blue as well but you don't see
23:59
it from far away and so we need the reality
24:02
of third way thinking we need a third option thinking
24:06
which is tension and mystery that it is the both and
24:10
the yes and no death and resurrection in the same
24:14
body in the same person in the same time death
24:17
and resurrection hold in one hand not to answer we like when
24:21
it's Good Friday and Easter But if not it's one experience
24:26
we will death and resurrection in our one hand that
24:30
is the reality of tension and mystery when I can
24:32
embrace the both and and not and feel the conflict
24:37
but embrace it like if I was to work through
24:41
either of our stories or what we do with men
24:43
all the time if we end up going let's go
24:45
back to your eight year old self OK you were
24:47
abused OK so now with the church that is go let's either get rid
24:52
of that so that you're a new creation in Christ
24:55
or we have to recognize I'm not supposed to get delivered
24:58
from the eight year old version of me Is actually a
25:01
part of who I am and it was bad and
25:04
it was wrong and I need to grieve it so
25:06
that it can be integrated into my life as a part
25:09
of who I am today like it actually made me
25:12
the way I am so I can I'm not saying
25:15
like we we we need to go make excuses for
25:19
our abusers what I'm saying is you can't get rid
25:22
of the fact that it happened to you so what
25:24
are you gonna do either live in the tension of it
25:27
makes me the man I am today or spend the
25:31
rest of your life going I'm not really worth much
25:33
because that happened to me Does that make sense yes
25:37
I totally get it right and I'm watching all these
25:39
men going what do I do with the eight year
25:41
old version of myself that was beat by his mom beat by
25:45
his dad abused in a Bandan what do I do with that
25:49
I'm like you grieve over it right so for me
25:51
it's the beatitudes so if you're if blessed are those who
25:55
mourn for they will be comforted right so the first
25:59
step I have to do intention is grief I have to actually
26:04
learn to grieve and mourn so that the parts of me that
26:07
are yet he'll not yet healed I can actually grieve
26:11
them and experience comforting in that place because if I
26:14
don't get comforted I'll settle for comfort and comfort I
26:17
can buy So comfort I can buy because that's just
26:20
escapism but I'm not getting comfort and I'm just paying for
26:24
comfort and that's it totally different ballgame medication that's my
26:29
medication right yeah so wow this is deep and I
26:33
think what you're explaining here I mean I I look at
26:35
this whole conversation and the work you're doing and what
26:37
you're explaining to me this is real discipleship this is
26:40
deep discipleship which which we don't see a lot right now
26:44
because you have to be super intentional you have to understand it
26:47
and you have to have some men in your life that
26:48
can help you process this because you just don't learn
26:51
this on your own this is talk to you somehow
26:54
and you're coached and instructed through it that's that that's
26:57
the process right now that we would like I said
26:59
earlier we're just trying to raise up those men so
27:01
that we can do that effectively with the next group
27:04
that's coming up right all right so let's let's get into
27:07
this let's talk about I mean I think you've given
27:10
us like pretty much the origin story but if there's
27:12
a missing piece because your story is a whole it's
27:15
all one story of like what made Jake and who
27:18
you are Or it's not and I totally resonate with the
27:21
boxes I talk about that all the time as men
27:23
were very good at building compartments there's my work box
27:27
there's my church box there's this yeah that's that's us up
27:31
for a lot of failure because we can act a certain way
27:33
in one place and then we can totally be another
27:35
person because we just have a different mask that we
27:37
put on for that box absolutely so so tell me
27:41
if there's if there's if you wanna take in a different
27:44
place but I wanna know if we can go right
27:46
into this mission of reclaiming masculinity is there more to
27:51
that I know there's a lot more but is there a
27:53
missing piece that we need to understand of this origin
27:55
story where this mission came from I think you've given
27:58
us a lot of where this mission was born from but I
28:01
want to talk about the mission itself why it's so
28:04
important and why it's something you're focused on right now
28:08
yeah I mean I honestly the way it started was
28:11
my kids were becoming teenagers and I did not know
28:14
how to grow up meant so I just really like ended up
28:17
going like I need to Figure this out because my
28:19
marriage is great so like we spent you know eight
28:23
or nine years just rebuilding our marriage focusing on it
28:27
and having the conversations doing the work and then I end
28:30
up in the spot where I was like OK I've
28:32
got two boys that are turning into 13 at 11
28:35
at the time and I was like I don't know
28:39
what do you do with them and nobody did anything
28:41
with me like I didn't nobody walked me into manhood
28:45
so what what is that crossover look like and that
28:49
lead me on a series of events some supernatural and
28:53
wild and some that are still progressing even today as
28:56
I'm figuring it out with free thinking children that I'm
29:01
not trying to control you know and I and the truth
29:04
is I can give you answers about kids come in
29:06
the middle of it so when people ask me I
29:08
can go hey this where I sock this room good I
29:11
feel like I'm doing affective in this area but in
29:14
all honesty ask me in 20 years you know because
29:17
that part with the kid Kid I don't really know
29:19
because I'm still trying I'm still trying stuff and I'm
29:22
just try to be faithful and what's in my hands but that
29:24
was that was the origin that led me to going
29:27
well if I'm a do it for my kids like
29:29
who's gonna do this with me well let's just put
29:31
a bunch of dysfunctional men are my garage and let's
29:34
see how this works out I love it and how
29:38
is it working out so far it's beautiful like for
29:41
us that we we use a couple things while I'll
29:44
give you the short version the short version is that
29:46
we in the midst of processing what I was looking
29:50
for for my wife and I we ended up coming
29:54
across something called the Allender theory by Danny Allender out of yes
29:59
I see it in Seattle Theological school or Seattle school
30:04
of theology something like that but Dan Allender he's mentioned
30:07
a ton of books I mean every book on sort
30:10
of Christian psychology he's a dude like he wrote board
30:13
love to be told God love sacs like there's he's
30:18
done a ton of stuff that's amazing amazing amazing but
30:22
I think we really adopt it was sort of story
30:23
work so we were using it in our marriage of
30:26
time and then found out how great it is to
30:29
use with men so we said well what if we
30:31
just get together in a bit of the premise is
30:33
simply that stick with out going into the whole how he
30:37
does Allender theory all that is basically we created our
30:41
version the simplified version for us as we do a
30:44
story map which means that you basically build a linear
30:48
story of your eyes and your lives with a middle lines of
30:50
zero is you know varied it's just normal then things
30:55
that were great things are terrible on a scale of one
30:58
to 10: 10 AM to kind of plot things over
30:59
the course of your story plot them on there A lot of
31:02
people have heard this is hills and valleys Victor Frankel
31:05
actually came up with that and we utilize that tool just to
31:09
get the primer like going and then we ask men
31:11
to do is pick one of those stories and write
31:14
8 00 to 1 000 words on that story that
31:17
specific space not all the stuff around it not this
31:21
is literally I'm using this to tell you about my
31:23
mom you know no it's like the whole thing is
31:26
based around this moment and then in that moment the
31:28
man reads the story because writing it out and reading
31:31
it in front of a group of men is terrifying
31:34
humbling vulnerability enters and grieving starts to enter and it's
31:37
very rare I have any man that does this to any
31:41
degree there's I've never seen a man not cry like
31:45
this just not I mean men that don't cry like
31:47
I haven't cried in 20 years you know And so they
31:50
took because they're having to look at it and they look
31:53
at it and they share it and then this group
31:54
of men we called is hold space for them creates
31:57
containment is our Islanders language we provide containment for them
32:01
and then we ask questions so it's just hey I
32:05
heard you say this what does that mean to you
32:07
hey this tell me about that so you know when
32:09
we work through that well in that process what did it
32:13
happening was I ran into something called the work which
32:17
is a documentary that changed my life John Tysons primal
32:21
path him and then the book iron John by Robert
32:26
Bly that was the catalyst to iron John by Robert
32:29
Blyth really was the catalytic connecting piece between all of
32:34
these things because what he did was connect mythological understanding
32:39
and historical rights of passage to modern sort of tools
32:45
for how do we do this in a group of
32:47
men that which then connect me to the mankind And project which if
32:51
you ever heard of but all of that stuff started coming at me
32:54
at once and we just used our Wednesday nights as sort
32:58
of a place to practice so anything we learned we
33:01
would just shop in the room and we would go
33:03
OK let's try this you know and it would be a
33:07
total crap show most the time because you don't know
33:09
what you're doing it's like again just like the guitar
33:12
stuff I had a tool I had space so I'm
33:16
just like let's try it and what happened was our
33:19
circle kept growing and so now we do entire weekends
33:22
for it but that was really the catalytic stuff that
33:25
sort of sent us into the space awesome yeah I'm
33:30
very I'm very familiar with everything you're explaining so I
33:33
think this is so needed so deep and it's missing right
33:35
now it really is a missing piece And you know
33:39
you know what Jake the worlds got it the world has
33:41
it in some of their programs and I've seen it
33:43
there and I was like wow we need that so
33:45
I'm glad that you're your bring this in redeeming it and putting
33:49
in the proper contacts because it does get weird there's
33:52
a lot of personal development coaching programs in the world that use
33:55
a lot of this stuff but then I always walk away saying
33:58
OK I can keep that that was totally wrong I
34:00
didn't participate in this part because they get a little
34:03
mystical they get a little bit weird I've seen that
34:06
firsthand And I think in the men's space total even with
34:09
the conversation we're having here I mean there's so many
34:11
people because right now the gap is real and the
34:15
world showing us like yeah there's an issue here there's
34:17
a gap and we have worldly secular coaches people with
34:21
different ideas they're not godly and then a Christian guy
34:25
doesn't have a lot of places to go and he's asked to listen
34:29
but then they're always left in the state of tension
34:31
a bad tension a state of confusion of OK I
34:35
like that there's something that's resonating it's pulling on my
34:38
heart but at the same time like I got to
34:40
get over this issue and there's something kind of sinful
34:43
here and this is weird and they just it's a
34:45
state of confusion so I love I love what you're
34:48
doing do you wanna comment on that a little bit
34:50
because I mean I always go to what Jesus says you
34:52
know he says take heed to how you hear and
34:55
so I'm a big believer that we just can't hit
34:58
subscribe to any one that comes across our feed that we
35:01
have to really guard what voices and who we really listen
35:05
to especially as we go down the path Of doing
35:08
some deep work yeah I think I'm roar actually talked
35:11
about it like the cleanest that I've seen because he had his whole
35:14
work started roar started everything was men stuff I mean if
35:17
you read Adam 's return wisemen to wild Minda Wiseman the
35:24
quest for the grill like all these books that he
35:27
wrote on masculinity rites of passage all these things one
35:30
of the things that he sort of lands on in
35:32
this was from I just might've been early 90s as
35:36
he's like is he basically just said and he was
35:39
commenting on all the massive movements at that time cause
35:41
you talking promise keepers all that stuff now it's something
35:43
really decent to offer from the mythopoetic men's movement with
35:47
Robert Bly knows guys to promise keepers doing the stadium
35:50
stuff all awesome but really what it comes down to
35:54
is you have to have a try two things you have to
35:57
have a tribe of 30 and I Danny Martin Shaw he
36:00
always says that if you can't be seen effectively by
36:03
30 you'll try to get seen by 30 million and
36:07
that really is what we're watching we're watching a ton
36:09
of men who haven't been seen by 30 which is
36:12
the size of a stereotypical tribe and so they're spending
36:16
their lives trying to get seen by 30 million and
36:19
so there's the missing piece of being seen by 30
36:22
dudes and then the other part is if I am
36:25
not radically and ridiculously anchored to Jesus Christ none of it
36:30
has stay in power and I tell me this listen and
36:33
this is again I am the The again the weirdo
36:36
fringe guy I'm like if that things moving you go
36:38
but don't stop go to you it's weird and I
36:41
know it's actually jacked up but you're getting something from
36:44
it keep going is those who seek will eventually find
36:47
so if you land on some thing and you get
36:50
you're gonna get stuck just like everyone else you're gonna
36:53
be stuck in some weird like circular thinking masculinity weird
36:58
thing that points to know where he turn off so of course it's
37:02
gonna fracture and leave you more damage than when it
37:05
when you start it because at the end of the
37:07
day if it's not anchored to eternity who cares like
37:10
it Hass to be anchored in Christ in Christ alone
37:13
the man Jesus Christ must be at the center that was
37:18
awesome I meant you spent three days telling parsable and the
37:21
quest for the holy Grail 12 meant over three days
37:24
but we don't do that anymore like we don't get
37:27
around fire pits until stories but stories were the corporate
37:31
Wiebe tribe and then my story begin to makes Sense
37:34
as the singular I in the midst of doing that
37:37
but because my center is Christ I get to tell
37:40
the story from a perspective that most people want and
37:43
multiple don't even know that half the story was written
37:45
by a knight and half the story was written by
37:47
a priest so no wonder it has such a beautiful
37:50
holy language in it based around the grail that I
37:54
love the description of it again it's the tension because
37:57
it's the grail is described as a rock who held
38:00
intention the dark and the light in that holy space
38:04
of tension gave abundance to the earth and I'm like
38:08
I love that like those that language is stuff we
38:11
don't even use anymore you know I mean we're like give me
38:14
the next teaching five steps to being a better man and
38:16
12 steps in another father Good father another 2 5
38:20
steps and I'll be a good husband is like now you're probably
38:23
gonna suck most the time as me really painful sorry about it like
38:26
that's just the way it works but here's a really
38:28
great story to help you see yourself so you don't
38:31
feel alone in it yeah but we left formulas man
38:34
we don't want story what formulas do you know formula Jesus
38:38
man there's just no formula it's like when we were
38:40
even trying to get people saved by a prayer you
38:42
know how I feel about that I'm like come on
38:45
man I'm gonna enter into eternity after with a repeat
38:48
after me like karaoke Jesus you know I mean like
38:51
we could all confused when there's no words on the
38:53
screen we hate tension we hate mystery but our life
38:58
exposes us to it constantly and that reality of being Christ
39:03
centered living in mystery intention allows me to be your voice to
39:06
places no one else gets to be a voice This is so
39:11
good man yeah I love this just kind of like
39:13
as a time out real quick I'll tell you like
39:14
I've I've done some deep work with I first got
39:17
exposed to it like in a secular program and was like this
39:20
was amazing this needs to be Christian I somehow this
39:23
needs to be done differently and as I'm kind of
39:26
building my own things and just kind of you know
39:28
exploring with the Lord putting on me I heard about
39:31
another Christian thing I kind of smirked at one thing you
39:34
said because I was explaining it to my uncle is a
39:37
pastor he's like oh you want to do that he
39:39
goes oh that's like this group I'm like what's that
39:41
group I never heard about it is I got a
39:42
check it out the sky knows it so like I'll
39:44
just go to it so I'm fresh off a weekend
39:47
I just did a weekend retreat Add to the wrist
39:50
30 guys there's 30 gas exactly what it was the same
39:56
chassis of what I did in the like more personal
39:59
development program is the same exact chassis different exercises and
40:02
totally redeemed in theologically a biblically sound like oh yeah
40:08
now I know I see what they did their yeah
40:10
so awful and itself mean there's loads of stuff out
40:13
there and that's a I have to go and just stay in my
40:17
lane cause I mean we're doing 12 guys at a
40:19
time because it's it we're gonna move and we're gonna
40:22
even shrink it we're going down to eat it doesn't pay
40:24
the bills dude yeah pay the bill from the guys
40:27
at a time you have to just on it and believing
40:30
it to such a degree you like I'm gonna get
40:31
this awesome OK so Jake tell me tell me about
40:34
the fight because your name your name what you're doing
40:37
the fight you have fight weekend so I'm gonna start
40:40
with a really simple question yeah Who are we fighting
40:44
what are we fighting what are we fighting for other sort
40:47
of key to the fight is we go we're looking
40:49
for one man one man equals one marriage equals one
40:53
family which means we got one generation and so we
40:57
are most of the time fighting ourselves and so I
41:01
love Raz language again these guys I just read a ton
41:04
and he says the first half of your life you
41:06
fight the devil the second half of the life your
41:08
life you find God And I like I just love
41:11
that language cause on your heroes journey you're just fighting
41:14
the devil everything is this upward climb you know and
41:18
he even jokes that you know if you give a
41:20
young man the Cross Hill just use it as another ego
41:22
pursuit which were seeing a lot and so there's a lot of us
41:25
fighting ourselves in fighting tension and fighting our story and fighting and
41:30
fighting and fighting and some of it's really great but
41:33
we have to recognize that if we're gonna actually fight the
41:37
fight for our family we got a fight the version
41:40
of ourselves that we've been presenting to everyone else for
41:43
decades and we have to watch him die yeah we have to
41:46
watch the imposter the shadow whatever name you want to
41:49
give it a Brennan many calls it the imposter from Arby's child
41:53
one of the best chapters of any book I ever read
41:57
And then you know young and sort of background would be
42:01
shadow you know some people call it different things but
42:04
I'm just like we're fighting the version of ourselves that
42:07
isn't authentic and where our weakness crosses our experience that's
42:12
where we'll find our real vulnerability and what I'm trying
42:15
to do is fight mend through the imposter and through the
42:19
shadow to get a picture of who they really are
42:22
because they don't know what they're fighting so they end
42:25
up fighting everyone else except for the imposter so they're
42:29
fighting their wife they're fighting their kids they're fighting some
42:32
fight out in culture and it doesn't mean anything because
42:35
it's not really fighting the thing that really matters you
42:39
know and doing the wrestling that it takes to get
42:42
a new name that's so good what's the consequences of
42:45
a guy who doesn't take this work on your neck It's this
42:48
piece like what happens I love you I think we're seeing it yeah
42:52
if you can this is the way it works I
42:53
mean you can go to 1 000 bucks on the stop
42:56
and they all have different language for the same thing
42:58
every young boy begins in the assent like they begin
43:02
in a hero at heroic journey not the Joseph Campbell
43:06
heroes journey that's a different piece but we are like
43:08
on a heroic ascent that's basically the ages of zero
43:11
to like even into your 30s right so like we
43:14
can get all the way into our 30s now somewhere
43:17
in there if we should be experiencing an initiation so
43:20
in initiation in the midst of our heroic journey humbles
43:23
us to become protectors and providers from the culture from
43:26
which we came OK so every initiatory experience was me knowing
43:30
the story of my tribe knowing the unique identity of
43:34
myself I mean some like you know VisionQuest type Native American
43:37
stuff they couldn't return until they heard their new name
43:41
from the great spirit which I love that language super
43:44
offensive to Christianity until we read revelation and we realize
43:48
that he Gonna give us a stone that has our
43:50
name written on it to step in the name we
43:51
were always supposed to be called so all of these
43:53
things crash into each other and what we do is we
43:56
continue on that ascent until we hit sort of a
43:59
midlife point what roar calls the crisis of limitation right end up
44:03
recognizing that I no longer I'm going to be able
44:06
to accomplish all I set out to do in my
44:08
life and part of the things I thought I'd become
44:11
I don't have time for any more so I hit this
44:14
crisis of limitation resource page energy all that stuff right until I get
44:18
three choices at that point and this is the key
44:21
right here what happens to a man who actually takes
44:24
this on embraces weakness intention mystery in their middle life
44:28
gets three out of three things that either become an old fool
44:32
basically saying I'm gonna continue on my heroes journey until
44:34
I'm 80 well now you're no help to anybody because
44:38
you continue that I sent in order to do it
44:41
in the amount of limited Energy and limited space and limited
44:46
time that you have you end up shutting everyone else down
44:49
because the only way to continue ascending is you got
44:51
50 60 70 80 year old men were building structures that hold
44:56
everyone else below them because they are still trying to
44:58
be on their heroic journey that ended three decades ago
45:01
but they're not willing to give it up you know
45:04
now for those that are like wow I have I'm
45:06
limited my life sucks it's over they begin in the
45:10
embittered journey so we have an old four or we have
45:13
a better fourth Their food is like this life sucks it's all awful
45:18
everyone's gonna die and you're all you're all gonna burn
45:22
in hell Didn't get anything you wanted to work out for him and
45:27
he wasn't willing to die before he died now the
45:30
third option is a good one the third option is the
45:32
way of the cross the third option says I am now
45:35
limited by time and space and resource and energy I'm
45:40
limited in all of these areas and I'm going to
45:43
embrace it because if I die before I die I
45:46
never have to die this is where I begin the leading
45:49
the letting go process I just keep leading up a man
45:52
who does this well by the end of his life
45:55
has already practiced dying so much that by the time
45:59
his physical body is ready to cross over he fully
46:02
embraces it without fear and with total courage because he's
46:06
already spent the second half of his life giving his resource
46:09
away giving his life away so by the time he
46:12
reaches the doors By the time he gets to that
46:16
space he's already he's good because he did it all
46:20
he gave it all away he didn't spend the second
46:22
half of his life still trying to build something for
46:25
God or for his family for whatever he invested it into
46:29
the people that were right in his meds and so
46:31
he can walk away totally clean knowing that he's going
46:35
to hear well done I love it man this is
46:38
such a great conversation we're going deep this is him
46:41
you know honestly you can't get into this conversation easily
46:44
it's not easily accessible because it's not being had in a lot of
46:47
places the stuff that you're talking about the dialogue it's
46:51
just like honestly I've come across this work in the
46:55
last couple years and it's really changed me and it's
46:58
a progression right and never stop I have some intentionality app but yeah
47:03
but so many men don't even know and we just
47:05
get a superficial Christianity we get a superficial understanding and
47:09
three point sermons and my formula but still not working
47:13
for me and then we're struggling and we end up
47:15
becoming one of the three guys you just described right
47:18
and what's hard about it is men are entering into
47:20
this journey with enough shame and guilt and soda than stack on
47:24
a three point sermon or a five point project they're not really
47:27
gonna get out of it what they want the claims are like
47:30
this actually is real work this actually is real dying this
47:33
is actually real engagements real integration it's real diving into
47:37
like we said these men on the beach this weekend in
47:41
The first night we didn't go straight to the house
47:43
we ended up having this really magical beautiful moment we're
47:47
across this lake we were at like started having a
47:49
thunder and lightning storm like across the lake and we're
47:53
sitting on this beach had to walk 1 50 yards
47:56
across it and we're sitting barefoot sitting in this space and
48:00
watching thunder on one side and lightning and the other
48:03
crystal clear sky and saying this is where we will
48:06
sit we are entering into this with knowing there's a
48:11
storm on one side clear-cut clear sky on the other and
48:14
we're gonna sit in this tension we're gonna sit in
48:17
this mystery we're gonna sit in the uniqueness of this
48:19
moment knowing that what I am actually created for already
48:23
lies inside of me it's just buried under shame and
48:26
guilt it's been buried under shame and guilt for so
48:29
long that we don't even know how to access it
48:31
anymore and I we talk about it as a Robert
48:33
Blaize language is the long bad we drive behind us
48:36
so we were born Alice Miller talks about in her
48:39
book at the drama to gift a child Talks about
48:42
how are born with 3 60 ° of radiance everywhere
48:46
we don't know like little kids just beaming but our
48:50
entire lives part of that light keeps getting sly stop he be quiet
48:54
he be good hey we don't act like that then you
48:56
throw like abuse or triggers or molestation or any of
48:59
the really big stuff she start chopping off the lights by
49:02
the time we're in our 20s we got this like
49:05
we were born 3 60 radiance we were a light on
49:08
the hill a city that cannot be hidden then were
49:12
left with like a sliver but where did all those
49:14
other versions of me go well they all got tossed
49:17
in a bag I've been dragging for 20 years I've
49:20
been dragging since I was 4 5 6 7 8
49:22
it's versions of me that I actually am but they didn't
49:27
give me the love and acceptance I actually needed to
49:29
survive so I chopped them off threw them in a
49:32
bag and I've been dragging around for 20 30 years
49:35
now we know why men are tired in their 50s
49:37
and 60s because they've never done any of the work
49:40
of Blake Re-fork the shadow work behind there to actually
49:44
open that bag up and deal with what's in there
49:46
who I really am so they're getting like 40 50 60
49:49
night I'm tired as hell man I don't need five
49:52
points give me authenticity somebody tell me how to open
49:56
this bag get that energy out of that bag get it
50:00
back into my life so I can end fully me
50:03
I don't need another project I don't need another cop
50:06
I don't need hype I need somebody to look me
50:08
in the eyes and go dude what you just said
50:10
is bull crap That is wrong man and I'm not
50:14
gonna let you buy that anymore open that bag and let's talk about
50:18
what's in there let's do the hard work and then
50:20
all the sudden they get invigorated their energy dude every man this
50:24
weekend was like I have never felt more seen in
50:26
my whole life this is the deepest I've ever been
50:29
in my whole life and it's happening in their 40s
50:33
5 6 dude we can't we cannot sit by and
50:39
let men drag these bags waste their energy and slaughter
50:43
their families in the name of an imposter that's living
50:46
their life because their light got cut off when they
50:49
were 6 7 8 9 10 we got to get
50:53
that stuff back and we have to help them that is
50:56
our job as men who are doing this we don't
51:00
have all the answers great good you know what somebody needs they
51:03
don't need answers they don't need fixing no man wants
51:06
to be fixed you're just gonna piss him off don't
51:09
try to fix man sit with the man and ask him if you Actions
51:12
that are really hard and let him squirm in his
51:15
chair and stay silent until he answers that's coaching right there
51:19
that's it yeah and it's been that kind of work
51:23
in a holy space with the right tools right there's
51:28
nothing a man can't do with that let's address this
51:31
real quick because for for listeners I don't know where
51:33
everybody's at as they hear this and I just wanna
51:36
talk about you know someone might be listening to this
51:40
I don't know their age and the faith or aware
51:42
where they come from or who is listening at one
51:44
point in the future Someone might be thinking hey I
51:47
thought all that stuff got fixed when I got saved
51:50
like isn't that what Jesus does so can you look
51:53
up like to hear your perspective because we're talking about the
51:56
soul realm and the staff the trauma the junk that
51:59
hurts the wounds and I'll let you I'll let you
52:03
some that up for anyone that's that might have that thought
52:05
like hey I thought it was good because you are
52:08
good but you still have some stuff we have to deal
52:10
with because every time every time we do this they're
52:14
like wait wait a minute There's not covered in the
52:18
blood and I'm like well look at it this way Jesus
52:20
died to save you from your sin not your story
52:24
OK and here's the best example I can give you
52:26
and it works for me which is this twofold number
52:31
one Jesus so let's first talk about death and darkness
52:35
which is become an enemy of the church and it's
52:38
not an enemy it's actually a friend and actually all
52:41
the best miracles in Scripture happened in the dark Jesus
52:44
was raised from the dead in the dark of the
52:45
cave but let's start there so Jesus gets out of the
52:49
cave we all know the story he the tomb the
52:51
stone in front of the tomb is rolled away correct So
52:54
then now to now two chapters later he walks through a
52:58
wall to go be with his friends correct so so
53:02
resurrected body Jesus can walk through walls so why didn't
53:06
he just walk out of the tube with the stones still there
53:11
well what if it wasn't rolled away so that he
53:14
could get out so bad but so that we could
53:16
get in what if we were actually supposed to die
53:20
with Christ what if we were actually supposed to get another empty
53:23
tomb and lay down with him and let him resurrect
53:26
us because the hard part is my sin has been
53:29
covered but my story is still real So I don't
53:32
have to pay the cost of the repercussions of my life
53:35
but it is still my life it is still my
53:38
story it is still the reality and people are like well yeah
53:41
but that doesn't make sense OK when Jesus does get resurrected
53:45
does walk through the wall what does he keep what's the
53:49
only thing Jesus keeps from pre- resurrection Scars
53:56
that's all he keeps the only man-made thing in heaven
53:59
is Jesus 's scars and what does he use those
54:01
scars for to destroy doubt so no wonder we're not
54:06
doing a good job of destroying doubt we're busy hiding
54:09
our scars we can't destroy doubt with good theology we
54:12
can't destroy fear with good theology we can't destroy any
54:16
of the shame and guilt that people are experiencing with
54:19
a nice worship song is a three point sermon we
54:21
cannot do it you know what does it Here's my scars
54:26
look been there I love that reality because my scars are
54:33
what show off his goodness and we're busy saying got
54:36
delivered from that no that's a different than still having
54:40
them on your body and showing them off yes I
54:45
have been healed from the repercussions of what those scars
54:48
mean for Jesus they should've met death well now they
54:50
mean life he redeems the entire narrative so that you
54:55
become the handiwork of God and one of the best
54:58
one of the best moments of this for me was
55:00
in a San Francisco airport sitting at the bar with these
55:03
two guys from London watching a football game and I
55:06
need an actual American football game at two guys from
55:08
London Bela being bankers we strike up a conversation I'll give
55:12
you this very short version and I go we're having
55:14
this literally like little dialogue sitting there just hanging out And
55:19
they go eventually you know I've asked them their bankers
55:21
what are you do they ask me I go I travel
55:23
playing music in churches I also work with men do
55:26
a lot of like I do lotta inner work with men using Christ at the
55:29
center of the whole deal and the other one of
55:31
the two guys leans over and he's like hey I'm
55:35
an atheist just so you know I'm like oh man didn't really
55:38
ask but we're great you know good idea You've been
55:43
to this part of my God I've been alone action of the
55:45
Spartans pop in to this church in his church he's like oh
55:47
my gosh so crazy and I guess you look how do
55:49
you get into that I was like oh well my
55:51
daughter was diagnosed with Shiva palsy and it kind of
55:53
sent me on this journey me and my wife and
55:54
my family and immediately the atheist pizza and he goes
55:58
you'll see that's why I won't believe in God because
56:00
you're chill your daughter won't because your daughter can't walk
56:04
and children are starving in Africa that's what he said
56:07
and I said OK sweet do you mind if I
56:09
address those first the big one then the personal one
56:12
and I he's like yeah yeah whatever you know I
56:14
said sweet you're a baker is there enough money on planet
56:18
earth to take care of every human being he goes yeah
56:21
I go OK is there enough food on planet earth for
56:24
everyone to get enough calories so that no one will start
56:27
he says yes absolutely and then I asked him this
56:29
question then who's fault is it Dude starts crying while
56:34
it's ours and I said no it's not it's yours
56:37
make it personal I'm not a banker I don't have
56:40
your money you have your money have you have any kids
56:42
in Africa did you pay for my daughter surgeries did
56:45
you do any of that no it's your fault and
56:48
now let's take it let's take it personal I said
56:51
my daughter was born with cerebral palsy diagnosed at 15 months
56:54
we went through a ton of work trying to figure
56:56
out who God was in the process that got fired
56:59
from my church ended up starting our prayer wrote some songs
57:01
of the house of prayer those got picked up by
57:03
a label ended up going in traveling the world for
57:06
for five years and up still traveling to travel to
57:08
this day oh my gosh I traveled onto today my plane
57:12
was delayed I'm not supposed to be here so I
57:14
end up traveling being here now sitting with you telling you
57:17
about God and the way you've never heard of them
57:19
before now when you go home and you accept Jesus
57:22
cause you're going to after this all happens you're gonna
57:24
make him lord and savior of your life when you
57:26
get to heaven and you meet my daughter for the
57:28
first time because you'll be a creditor that you'll be
57:31
on her credit in Not mine she's the one that
57:33
had to couldn't walk all those years when you get
57:35
to happen and you look at my daughter walking in
57:37
perfect perfect restoration and she walks up to you and
57:40
says welcome in do you think she's gonna be bummed about bummed
57:43
out about the 60 to 80 years she walked on
57:46
earth with not walking and knowing that the price of
57:48
her not walking is your salvation eternally and forever in
57:51
heaven with Jesus Christ wow so powerful dude he lost it and
57:58
I'm like I'm gonna get you to prepare to go talk
58:00
to Jesus when you get back to your hotel room
58:02
tonight please real so when you can talk to him he'll
58:04
talk back but the point is we're not making any
58:08
of those connections we're going God delivered Me Again we're
58:12
back to the duality conversation it's the simple nope Jesus blood
58:16
it's all covered Isabella not look at your old me I was abused
58:20
like hell man you gotta look that kid in the
58:22
mirror and you gotta look at him and deal with
58:25
the repercussions of abuse abandonment rape all of the addictions
58:31
you have to look yourself in the mirror and know that
58:34
that stuff made you who you are today but because
58:38
of the blood of Jesus you don't have to face any
58:41
of the ramifications ramifications or repercussions of that because you
58:44
got redemption instead that's the best news Jake that's amazing
58:49
that's amazing story I'm gonna leave it right there I
58:52
have I have to get to something else before you wrap
58:55
up because I want you to tell the people that
58:57
are listening I want you to talk about the fight
59:00
how people connect with you so really drop those links below but
59:02
before we do just one other thing that I wanna
59:06
know about your day today as a man do you
59:10
have any daily disciplines any things that you do part
59:14
of this to pull through anything that I'm always into
59:17
you know we're here we wanna we wanna be high
59:20
performers we want to maximize what we have and it
59:23
all comes down to routine ritual what we do who
59:25
we are how we perform every day so I'm just
59:28
curious if you could share a little bit about your
59:29
routines your rituals what you do on a daily basis
59:32
that power your mission and power what you're doing Absolutely
59:36
I probably it's going to be some of the same thing you
59:38
guys probably all would say I get up at 5
59:42
AM I head straight to the gym I basically and I don't
59:46
work out crazy hard I am doing it to keep
59:49
my body moving and to like really just keep some
59:52
flexibility so I do about 4 5 minutes of weightlifting
59:56
different focus on different parts of the body than I
59:58
do swimming I swim a mile then I jump in
60:01
the pool some of my own that's how I end
60:03
come home and then I do my meditation time so I sit
60:06
in meditation take communion almost every morning And when I
60:10
say meditation I mean the really contemplative prayer so I will repeat
60:15
phrases or I mean really simple wants to you know
60:18
Jesus Christ of God have mercy on me a sinner you
60:21
know I mean I really like Will will meditate just
60:23
let it sit on my body I'm really really big
60:26
on like we have to like we we have to start recognizing
60:31
like it's one thing that to push weights and to do
60:33
working out it's another to be in touch with you with
60:35
your physical body that's a whole different ball game and
60:38
I wanna be in touch with this thing so I
60:40
want it I wanna listen to it so sleep in
60:43
those things and then like most guys like who do
60:46
this stuff long-term and psycho then cold shower so like Wim
60:49
Hof that if you know what I mean so like
60:51
I'm just in the cold shower try to hold in there
60:53
for a minute try to regulate my breathing and get
60:56
really focused and then I'll start my workday with a
61:00
podcast or book something that'll keep my brain moving And
61:04
then I jump in to work and I pretty much break for
61:06
lunch every day with my wife because I work at
61:08
home and so we do and then I'm done like
61:12
right now I'll be done usually I go till three
61:14
or four but I stayed up with you but that's
61:16
like we have a pretty hard cut time 90 %
61:19
of the time so that the rest of the evening
61:21
I just spent with family I appreciate this man this
61:24
is really valuable to me I love you bro this
61:26
is a powerful conversation and we are biohacking with Jake
61:30
Hamilton I love it cold showers breathing Biblical meditation yeah man
61:36
that's the way we live that sets the crew that
61:38
we got listening to us so this conversation is crazy
61:42
valuable you Jake bring a song by just telling us where
61:45
people can connect with you will drop all the links
61:47
below but if people wanna learn more about what you
61:49
do what you got coming up and hey I don't
61:51
know maybe there's a special announcement you're working on a
61:53
project or there's something on the music side do you
61:55
wanna share you can do whatever you want yeah I
61:58
mean honestly right now we take a little break towards
62:01
the end of the year we are currently when we're
62:03
recording this but we have what I what was was
62:06
coming up for next year as we do a few things
62:08
every year we're gonna we're doing a fight summit which
62:10
comes in January so that's sort of our larger gathering
62:13
we're men can come and learn about story learn about
62:16
mythology sort of it it's just a primer like hey
62:18
if you're interested that's a place to go fight some
62:21
at January just want to be in Redding it's like the
62:23
third week of January find all of it at the
62:25
links below all the websites have all the information then
62:29
from there we do a three times a year we
62:31
do courage course in Mantock Monday courage to call This is
62:35
basically 15 16 day pre- recorded dialogue we have a
62:39
private Facebook group we kind of just go after dialogue
62:41
in the biblical foundations of masculinity very very basic especially a lot of
62:46
people who follow me are in that sort of space so
62:49
it's a nice bridge to kind of go he lets
62:52
dialogue about some of these things but completely from scripture
62:55
and then we jump to man talk Mondays but we
62:57
only take 15 guys or we took 18 this last
63:00
time it was a lot so about 15 18 guys live
63:04
zoom every week for eight weeks so we all jump
63:07
on we check in that's where we start introducing the
63:10
deep works of some of the inner work some of the story
63:13
work some of the like what does it mean to
63:14
carry a long bag what does that look like what
63:16
what is shadow work what is grief work what does
63:19
it mean to actually do that work as a man
63:21
on a regular basis and not just show up to
63:23
the conference in the height then the below that is
63:26
really what we're like what we do that's arc sort
63:29
of core is the fight weekend and a fight weekend
63:32
we only take 8 to 12 guys max Them and
63:35
we we it's like all expense paid you just get
63:38
there we cover everything else you show up with the
63:41
story having watched the work and we dive in like
63:44
basically over the course of two days we do maybe
63:47
12 to 14 hours of like really deep intense story
63:53
work where men get to open up and be cared
63:56
for and contained possibly for some of the salmon very first time and
64:00
so that's kind of the big stuff and then this year
64:03
which nobody knows about yet we're gonna be doing our
64:05
first fight we can fight fight weekend one flesh so
64:09
we're gonna be doing our first marriage weekend with eight
64:11
couples in Napa Valley And we've got like a really
64:15
dope set up with their with cottages in a whole
64:17
thing but we're gonna be doing a lot of the story work
64:19
stuff with couples so me and my wife will go
64:22
in hopes that we're just gonna go after I just
64:24
see healthy and he'll marriages so but that's where the
64:27
plan but all that stuff you can find out more
64:29
information at this is the fight .com or fight weekend
64:33
.org awesome any last words for men guys listening close
64:38
it out every meeting with its this it's this book
64:42
called the blessing it's originates with a woman Native American woman
64:47
from the north east of North America from the eagle clan
64:51
her name is pocket niece and she said this at
64:54
the end of the podcast I have adopted it as we called
64:57
the blessing and it is you are the evidence of
65:00
the strength of your ancestors There are many things within
65:03
your lineage that attempted to obliterate all forms of goodness
65:09
but you are the living proof that it did not
65:14
work wow we're gonna leave it right there Jake it's been an honor
65:19
guys until next time let's raise the standard hey guys
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